Live! Manchester Track World Cup
Welcome to Cycling Weekly's live coverage of the Manchester Track World Cup on Friday, October 30 2009.
We'll be at Manchester velodrome to bring you live reports, results and comment from the opening round of this season's UCI Track World Cup.
Our live coverage of the Track World Cup starts mid-morning on Friday, October 30 2009 and will carry on until the racing finishes at around 10.30pm. To view the live text feed, click on the 'play' arrow in the Cover It Live window below.
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Live! Manchester Track World Cup, Friday, October 30 2009(10/30/2009)
10:19
Friday, October 30 2009
Hello and welcome to Cycling Weekly's coverage of the 2009 UCI Track Cycling World Cup round at Manchester velodrome.
We will be posting updates direct from Manchester throughout the day, until the day's session closes at around 10.30pm tonight.
Please feel free to join in by adding your comments, questions or... well, anything really, in the box below.
Friday October 30, 2009 10:19
10:20
Today's events are as follows:
Women's sprint
Women's scratch Race
Men's individual pursuit
Men's Keirin
Men's points race
Men's kilo TT
Friday October 30, 2009 10:20
10:20
[Comment From klaus-peterklaus-peter: ]
hii is there eany way we can wath the race live
Friday October 30, 2009 10:20 klaus-peter
10:24
Hi Peter
Yes, the BBC will be broadcasting live footage of the action via its website and via the red button (UK Freeview, satellite or cable systems).
BBC Cycling website>>
Of course, CW's live text coverage will be far more informative. Ha ha.
Friday October 30, 2009 10:24
10:25
And here's a list of the British riders that will be taking part today:
Women's sprint
Victoria Pendleton (Team Sky+HD)
Becky James (Great Britain)
Jess Varnish (Great Britain)
Men's Keirin
Chris Hoy (Team Sky+HD)
Jason Kenny (Great Britain)
Men's individual pursuit
Geraint Thomas (Great Britain)
Women's scratch race
Lizzie Armitstead (Great Britain)
Men's points race
Chris Newton (Great Britain)
Men's kilometre
David Daniell (Great Britain)
Friday October 30, 2009 10:25
10:25
[Comment From StephenStephen: ]
And less noticable to your Boss than streaming TV at work...
Friday October 30, 2009 10:25 Stephen
10:25
Stephen - absolutely. We like Stephen.
Friday October 30, 2009 10:25
10:30
Great Britain is fielding two squads at the World Cup: the sprint-focused Sky+HD team and the larger line-up of the red, white and blue Team GB.
The full ine-up, and which event each British rider will be riding can be found here:
http://www.cyclingweekly.com/news/latest/428301/great-britain-and-sky-hd-world-cup-teams-named.html
Friday October 30, 2009 10:30
10:30
[Comment From klaus-peterklaus-peter: ]
thanks for that but you can only watch it in england
Friday October 30, 2009 10:30 klaus-peter
10:34
Events aren't due to take place until this afternoon, which is when our live coverage proper will start. In the mean time, you can post up your questions and comments.
CW reporters Lionel Birnie and Simon Richardson will be at the velodrome bringing you live updates, as well as talking to the riders and team staff to get the lowdown.
Friday October 30, 2009 10:34
10:52
Without being too biased, it's fair to say that Britain has a solid medal chance in each of today's finals.
Olympic champ Pendleton is outright favourite for the women's sprint; ditto Hoy for the Keirin; Armitstead should make the podium in the women's scratch race; as should Newton in the men's points race.
David Daniell is contesting the men's kilo, and again is a solid medal prospect - he won the event at Manchester in last year's World Cup.
Newly crowned British national champion Geraint Thomas is riding the men's individual pursuit - and given that he won it with a time of 4-18.138, he's also in the hunt for a medal.
So, no big expectations for the Brits then.
Friday October 30, 2009 10:52
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Friday October 30, 2009 10:52
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The UCI has put together a list of TV stations around the world who are covering the Manchester World Cup, it's here:
http://www.uci.ch/includes/asp/getTarget.asp?type=FILE&id=NTYyMzA
Friday October 30, 2009 11:01
11:04
Here's the full schedule of events for Friday:
Session 1 Start 12.00
Womens Sprint 200m tt Qualifyfing
Mens Keirin 1st Round
Womens Sprint 1/8 Finals
Mens Individual Pursuit Qualifying
Mens Keirin Repechages
Womens Sprint 1/4 Final (1st)
Womens Sprint 1/4 Final B
Womens Sprint 1/4 Final (2nd)
Womens Sprint 1/2 Final B
Womens Sprint 1/4 Final (3rd)
Womens Scratch Race Qualifying Heats
Womens Sprint Finals B (9-10 & 11-12)
Womens Sprint 5th - 8th Places
Mens Points Race Qualifying Heats
Session Finish Approx 18.00
Session 2 Start 18.45
Opening Ceremony
Mens Keirin 2nd Round
Womens Sprint 1/2 Final (1st)
Mens Individual Pursuit Finals (3-4 & 1-2)
Womens Sprint 1/2 Final (2nd)
Womens Scratch Race Final
Womens Sprint 1/2 Final (3rd)
Mens Keirin Finals (7-12 & 1-6)
Mens Individual Pursuit Victory Ceremony
Mens Keirin Victory Ceremony
Mens Points Race Final
Womens Sprint Finals 3-4 & 1-2 (1st)
Womens Scratch Race Victory Ceremony
Mens Points Race Victory Ceremony
Womens Sprint Finals 3-4 & 1-2 (2nd)
Mens 1Km TT Final Womens Sprint Finals 3-4 & 1-2 (3rd)
Mens 1Km TT Victory Ceremony
Womens Sprint Victory Ceremony
Close of Racing Approx 22.40
Friday October 30, 2009 11:04
11:20
At last year's Manchester round of the World Cup (October 31-November 2, 2008), British riders came away with 14 gold medals, out of a total of 17 events.
That was, of course, after the outstanding performance at the Beijing Olympic Games.
Can they do the same again this year?
Friday October 30, 2009 11:20
11:21
Manchester is the opening round of the 2009/10 UCI Track Cycling World Cup series, here's the full list:
2009/2010 UCI Track Cycling World Cup
October 30-November 1: Manchester, UK
November 19-21: Melbourne, Australia
December 10-12: Cali, Colombia
January 22-24, 2010: Beijing, China
March 24-28, 2010: Track World Championships, Copenhagen, Denmark
Friday October 30, 2009 11:21
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Friday October 30, 2009 11:21
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A pic of Sir Chris Hoy in action at the British national track championships - he's looking for a clean sweep in the Keirin, sprint and team sprint in Manchester this weekend in order to qualify for March's world championships in Copenhagen, Denmark.
Friday October 30, 2009 11:23
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Friday October 30, 2009 11:27
11:28
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Friday October 30, 2009 11:28
11:44
Organisers of the annual Revolution track series, hosted at Manchester velodrome, have unveiled a new format for this year:
http://www.cyclingweekly.com/news/latest/428554/revolution-track-series-unveils-new-format.html
Friday October 30, 2009 11:44
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[Comment From Track newbieTrack newbie: ]
Is there an Omnium this weekend?
Friday October 30, 2009 12:00 Track newbie
12:03
No, there's no omnium in the World Cup rounds, but there is in the World Championships
Friday October 30, 2009 12:03
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Friday October 30, 2009 12:11
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Victoria Pendleton winning the Keirin at the Manchester World Cup last year
Friday October 30, 2009 12:12
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[Comment From jonporterjonporter: ]
can we have some pics of the lovely Victoria please ;-)
Friday October 30, 2009 12:26 jonporter
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Victoria Pendleton and Lizzie Armitstead at last year's track world cup round in Manchester, where they won three gold medals each.
Pendleton won the 500m TT, Keirin and sprint; Armitstead won the points race, scratch race and was part of the victorious women's team pursuit trio.
Friday October 30, 2009 12:28
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Friday October 30, 2009 12:34
12:41
Women's sprint 200m TT qualifying has started in the velodrome. China's Shuang Guo currently holds the fastest qualifying time of 11.098
Friday October 30, 2009 12:41
12:49
Britain's Victoria Pendleton qualifies fastest for the sprint with a time of 10.998 - the only rider to dip below 11 seconds
Women's sprint qualification
1. Victoria Pendleton (GB) 10.998
2. Shuang Guo (China) 11.098
3. J Gong (China) 11.149
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11. Jess Varnish (GB) 11.536
14. Becky James (GB) 11.569
Friday October 30, 2009 12:49
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[Comment From AndyAndy: ]
Armitstead and Pendleton - strikingly alike? Older and younger sisters??
Friday October 30, 2009 12:49 Andy
12:51
Next up: Men's Keirin first round
Friday October 30, 2009 12:51
1:04
Today's events are split into two sessions:
The afternoon session is packed full of qualifying rounds
The evening session holds the semi-finals and finals
Women's sprint
Women's scratch Race
Men's individual pursuit
Men's Keirin
Men's points race
Men's kilo TT
Friday October 30, 2009 1:04
1:15
Chris Hoy wins his Keirin qualification round, with Jason Kenny third
Friday October 30, 2009 1:15
1:31
[Comment From MarcMarc: ]
Will Kenny need to come through the repechages now?
Friday October 30, 2009 1:31 Marc
1:37
Simon Richardson and Lionel Birnie have now made it to the Velodrome. They've picked up some lunch, and their accreditation, and are settling in down at the media tribunes in the track centre.
Friday October 30, 2009 1:37
1:41
Hi Marc - yes, Kenny will need to go through the repechage rounds
Friday October 30, 2009 1:41
1:42
Afternoon everyone, we're in track centre to try and bring you all the action and gossip. It's already very warm in here, I guess they want some fast times.
We're currently watching the qualification for the men's individual pursuit. S Schafer from Germany is currently on the track; more when GB's Geraint Thomas is riding.
Friday October 30, 2009 1:42
1:44
Victoria Pendleton won her 1/8 final heat against Russian Olga Streltsova, and goes through to the next round.
Becky James and Jess Varnish both lose their 1/8 final heats
Friday October 30, 2009 1:44
1:47
It's the qualifying round of the men's individual pursuit. Geraint Thomas is up in the third heat right now. The Lithuanian Bagdonas is in this heat too.
Friday October 30, 2009 1:47
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Geraint Thomas was very disappointed that the individual pursuit looks set to be chopped from the Olympic Games programme when he spoke to Cycling Weekly earlier this week. But he said he would be riding the individual pursuit in future because it adds bulk to his track work as he focuses on the team pursuit for London 2012.
Friday October 30, 2009 1:48
1:49
Judging by the 4-18 time he did at the National Championships last week, Thomas will be the favourite to win gold tonight. He's just overtaken Bagdonas, at the 2,500m mark.
Friday October 30, 2009 1:49
1:51
4-15.015. That is one heck of a time for Geraint Thomas. 56.467kph average speed.
Friday October 30, 2009 1:51
1:54
Well, if the Welshman gets even close to replicating that tonight, the gold medal is his. We know that it's on a different track in different conditions, but Thomas's ride is quicker than Bradley Wiggins's qualification time at the Beijing Olympics (that was 4-15.031).
Friday October 30, 2009 1:54
2:14
We're trawling back through our databases to see whether Geraint's time is the second fastest individual pursuit of all time. Simon Richardson reckons it is. Boardman's 4-11 remains the world record (although it was set in the Superman position which has been banned). Thomas's time is quicker than Wiggins's qualification times in both Athens 2004 and Beijing 2008. Taylor Phinney did a 4-15.223 earlier this year in Copenhagen. That puts Geraint's 4-15.015 into context. It's a phenomenal ride. Simon reckons that means he'll be third in the Tour de France next year. Get a bet on.
Friday October 30, 2009 2:14
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Phinney also did a 4-15.160 at the World Championships in Poland earlier this year.
Friday October 30, 2009 2:15
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[Comment From LiamLiam: ]
Yeah, but (no but yeah but no but yeah) Boardman's time doesn't count, so Geraint is (un)officially the fastest GB pursuiter in history.
Friday October 30, 2009 2:15 Liam
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[Comment From LiamLiam: ]
Perhaps I should have mentioned why IMO Boardman's time doesn't count... superman!
Friday October 30, 2009 2:15 Liam
2:17
Rob Hayles is here in the track centre. He's working for the BBC later today (coverage on the red button. Stick with us, though, as a word is worth a thousand live television pictures. Or something). Anyway, Rob's none to happy with the proposal to kick the pursuit out of the Olympics because it robs the track programme of a spectacle. His solution: scrap the road races. That'll remove 200 riders in one go and the road riders have plenty of other objectives.
Friday October 30, 2009 2:17
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[Comment From Russ MulloRuss Mullo: ]
have to say pursuits are a tad more boaring than a road race
Friday October 30, 2009 2:20 Russ Mullo
2:24
[Comment From AdamAdam: ]
If anyone's following this and also uses twitter, there's a Manchester World Cup hashtag for following and tweeting about the event - #trackworldcup
Friday October 30, 2009 2:24 Adam
2:27
[Comment From AndrewAndrew: ]
I was only pondering yesterday that the loss of the mens road races would probably not be seen as a great dissapointment to the riders. Not so sure about the women though - still one of the biggest events for them
Friday October 30, 2009 2:27 Andrew
2:29
Good point Andrew. The women's road race should stay. Thing is, if they get rid of the men's road race that would mean Mark Cavendish's chances of an Olympic medal would be reduced. Mind you, coach Rod Ellingworth has been talking about the possibility of Cavendish doing the Omnium at London 2012. Apparently Cavendish hasn't ruled it out.
Friday October 30, 2009 2:29
2:31
The qualification for the men's individual pursuit is over.
Geraint Thomas will face Dominique Cornu in the gold medal final tonight. The Belgian rode a 4-17 to Thomas's 4-15.
Friday October 30, 2009 2:31
2:32
Individual pursuit qualifying
1 Geraint Thomas (Great Britain) 4-15.015
2 Dominique Cornu (Belgium) 4-17.390
3 Vitaly Shchedov (Ukraine) 4-21.669
4 David Muntaner (Spain) 4-24
Friday October 30, 2009 2:32
2:36
We have the men's Keirin repechage now. Heat one was won by Volikakis of Greece. Britain's Jason Kenny is in heat three.
Friday October 30, 2009 2:36
2:39
The unmistakable smell of lawnmower fuel fills the velodrome as the Derny motorbikes wind up the pace in heat two. Denis Spicka, Adrien Doucet, Adrian Telinkski and David Askurava in this one. Our money's on Spicka. Or Doucet.
Friday October 30, 2009 2:39
2:40
Big crash. Doucet and Spicka went down.
Right, no more predictions from us.
Friday October 30, 2009 2:40
2:42
Teklinski wins from Askurava in heat two of the Keirin repechage there. The two riders who crashed are up and walking. Music plays Chumbawumba's "Tubthumping" with the lyric "I Get Knocked Down, But I Get Up Again". Hmmm.
Friday October 30, 2009 2:42
2:44
Jason Kenny of Great Britain is up against Santiago, Sufian, Borisov and Lapshinau in his heat.
Friday October 30, 2009 2:44
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Kenny wins his heat to progress to the next round of the Keirin. Sufian took it on very early but Kenny came on strong in the final lap.
Friday October 30, 2009 2:47
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[Comment From Russ MulloRuss Mullo: ]
are the stands filling up?
Friday October 30, 2009 2:48 Russ Mullo
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Russ, at a guess it's half full at the moment, but there's a good atmosphere and it's likely to be full tonight as it's a sell-out.
Friday October 30, 2009 2:51
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Vynokurov goes through in the final Keirin repechage. Next up it's the quarter finals of the women's sprint. Whoever's chosen the music here in the velodrome has put at least 30 seconds' thought into it. To herald the women's sprint the song "Here Come The Girls" is played.
Race one of the quarter-finals is world champion Victoria Pendleton versus Miriam Welte of Germany. Best of three goes through to tonight's semi-finals.
Friday October 30, 2009 2:54
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Welte goes for a long one but Pendleton takes it pretty comfortably. 1-0 to Pendleton.
Friday October 30, 2009 2:55
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Anna Meares versus Shuang Guo. The Chinese rider takes it.
Friday October 30, 2009 2:57
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That's Geraint Thomas on his way to the fastest pursuit time in the standard tri-bar position. Chris Boardman's 4-11 was done in the Superman position.
Friday October 30, 2009 3:00
3:02
Simon Krupeckaite (Lithuania) who Jess Varnish in the first round, has taken a 1-0 lead over Jinjie Gong.
Friday October 30, 2009 3:02
3:05
Olga Panarina is 1-0 up against Willy Kanis after the first sprint of their quarter-final clash.
Friday October 30, 2009 3:05
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[Comment From MartinMartin: ]
Could someone explain what the difference is between the two keirin events?
Friday October 30, 2009 3:08 Martin
3:11
Martin. How do you mean the difference between the two Keirin events? There's the men's Keirin and the women's? Or do you men the repechage?
Because the Keirin is a pretty combative event, where a crash can ruin someone's race, or a rider can get boxed in and fail to qualify, they hold a repechage round for the riders who fail to progress from the first round at the first attempt.
Repechage means 'to rescue' in French. So it's kind of a 'lucky losers' race to give a second chance to get through to the second round.
So the repechage round winners join the first round winners in the second round. Hope that explains it.
Friday October 30, 2009 3:11
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[Comment From anthonyanthony: ]
how long before boarmans time's beaten using standard tri bars
Friday October 30, 2009 3:11 anthony
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Good point Anthony. The best part of four seconds still separates the likes of Wiggins, Thomas and Phinney from Boardman's world record. Wiggins was apparently going very close in training before the Beijing Olympics, and he might have gone even quicker in the Games had he not gone down with illness shortly before leaving for China.
Friday October 30, 2009 3:12
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[Comment From MartinMartin: ]
No, there is a men's keirin today, and another one on sunday, according to the schedule
Friday October 30, 2009 3:13 Martin
3:18
Ah, got you Martin. The Keirin on today is the men's Keirin competition, which is part of the World Cup programme.
However, the Japanese Keirin Association (JKA) which invented and runs the sport in Japan has a deal with the organisers of the World Cup to host an exhibition event here in Manchester each year.
The Keirin was invented in Japan as a means for gambling. Keirin means 'to bet'. There are around 1,200 professional Keirin meetings in Japan each year and the bets placed exceed £3.5 billion. Yes, that's right, billion. It's a huge business.
And because of the risk of race fixing, the riders have to live in 'Keirin School', separated from the real world. The riders wear colours and numbers like the greyhounds in races over here, and they ride identical bikes, which are pretty basic, a far cry from the carbon fibre bikes of the world's elite competition.
Hope that explains it a bit. The JKA Keirin here at Manchester is very much an exhibition event, purely to promote the discipline and give it more exposure.
Friday October 30, 2009 3:18
3:20
In the sprint "B" competition, for the riders knocked out of the 1/8 finals, Jess Varnish has just won her quarter-final race. And Becky James has just beaten Yvonne Hijgenaar, which is an impressive result indeed.
Come London, it's very likely Great Britain are going to have three of the best sprinters in the world.
Friday October 30, 2009 3:20
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[Comment From anthonyanthony: ]
what difference did the heat make in beijing faster or slower times
Friday October 30, 2009 3:20 anthony
3:21
Anthony. The heat and humidity made Beijing quick, although the experts say it's not the fastest track in the world because of the tighter banking. Having said that, it's pretty warm and humid in Manchester's velodrome today.
Friday October 30, 2009 3:21
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Victoria Pendleton has just beaten Welte again to make it 2-0 and seal her progress to the women's sprint semi-finals.
Friday October 30, 2009 3:21
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Britain's Matt Crampton gained an invite to the Japanese Keirin Association after winning the JKA Keirin at last year's Manchester World Cup.
He said: "For the Japanese riders it is huge. The famous guys are household names like footballers in the UK and they can go on for years. Some riders are in their fifties before they retire.
"The day-to-day life of the Keirin rider is not as monastic as it looks from the outside, although we're cut off from the public at the races. For a foreigner like me it was a little bit of a culture shock. The racing is really intense and although you race only three times a month the travel means there's not much time to train between races."
Friday October 30, 2009 3:24
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Shuang Guo has beaten Anna Meares again, so she's also through to the semi-finals.
Friday October 30, 2009 3:24
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Sorry for the pause guys and girls, we're just helping the BBC's newest commentator, Rob Hayles with his homework.
Back in mo.....
Friday October 30, 2009 3:32
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[Comment From SteveSteve: ]
Why on earth isn't this being televised - didn't our cycling team do enough last year to deserve some coverage?
Friday October 30, 2009 3:32 Steve
3:33
Becky James is back on the track........
Friday October 30, 2009 3:33
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Phew that was close!
Friday October 30, 2009 3:33
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But James takes it. The 17 year old wins her first heat of the semi final.
Friday October 30, 2009 3:34
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Now it's Jess Varnish's turn. The action is non-stop on the track here. Varnish is up against Victoria Baranova of Russia.
Friday October 30, 2009 3:35
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Varnish wins!
Friday October 30, 2009 3:37
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Friday October 30, 2009 3:42
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Chris Hoy - the face of concentration.
Friday October 30, 2009 3:42
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[Comment From Russ MulloRuss Mullo: ]
Steve this is the boring part..... wait till it gets exciting
Friday October 30, 2009 3:42 Russ Mullo
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So, that's Victoria Pendleton through to the semi-finals of the women's sprint.
Jessica Varnish and Becky James are both through to the later stages of the sprint 'B' competition.
So the women's sprint semi-final line-up tonight is:
Victoria Pendleton (Sky+HD) v Olga Panarina (Belarus)
Shuang Guo (China) v Simona Krupeckaite (Lithuania)
In the B semi-finals it's Becky James v Olga Streltsova and Jess Varnish v Victoria Baranova.
Next up the heats of the women's scratch races.
Friday October 30, 2009 3:50
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Steve, tonight's session and tomorrow night's session (that's the bit with all the finals) are on the red button on BBC. Sunday afternoon there's coverage on BBC2. Alternatively, stick with us.
Friday October 30, 2009 3:51
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[Comment From CW-AndyCW-Andy: ]
Polished performance from Varnish there...
Friday October 30, 2009 4:02 CW-Andy
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CW-Andy. With puns like that, you're sacked.
Friday October 30, 2009 4:02
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Not seen that before. A crash in the women's scratch race first heat after they'd crossed the finish line.
Friday October 30, 2009 4:03
4:04
Koedooder and Machacova from Olds, Goss, Olaberria in the first heat of the women's scratch race. Lizzie Armitstead (Great Britain) is in the second heat.
Friday October 30, 2009 4:04
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Tweet of the day: @lambsimon Just for research I've counted how many times Paul&Phil say Armstrong in the entire 2003 TdF 1115 times thats ave 53 time per stage
Friday October 30, 2009 4:08
4:10
Don't forget, it's not all about the track world cup this weekend. The Muddy Hell cyclo-cross racing at Herne Hill tomorrow night should be great evening of racing. CW will be there in force; Stu Bowers is going for the win in the elite men's race while the rest of the office battle it out in the 'best costume' category in the fun race.
Friday October 30, 2009 4:10
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[Comment From JimmyJimmy: ]
Who was involved in the crash?
Friday October 30, 2009 4:10 Jimmy
4:12
A Belgian rider went down in the crash that happened after the finish line in heat one of the scratch race. Nothing serious. She got up again.
Friday October 30, 2009 4:12
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Safe finish to the second heat of qualifiying for the women's scratch race. Armitstead comfortably through. Results to come.....
Friday October 30, 2009 4:16
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[Comment From GuestGuest: ]
How come Bradley Wiggins isn't riding the pursuit? His choice?
Friday October 30, 2009 4:16 Guest
4:17
Wiggins doesn't need to be riding the track at this point. If he wants to come back to the team pursuit squad in London he can do so within the final 12 month build up. He's a Tour rider now don't forget.
Friday October 30, 2009 4:17
4:24
In a Team GB grudge match Becky James beats Jess Varnish to take the B final.
Friday October 30, 2009 4:24
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For some reason telegraph.co.uk has claimed that Geraint Thomas has broken the 4,000m individual pursuit world record. The article says that Chris Boardman's 4-11 doesn't count because it was set with the Superman position, which has since been banned.
Except that according to the UCI (and everybody else) Boardman's time is the world record. No one referred to Wiggins's time in Beijing as the new world record. All very odd.
Friday October 30, 2009 4:29
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[Comment From JamieJamie: ]
Guest it's been a long season for him, be good to see him and Cav do abit though. Dream Team i guess
Friday October 30, 2009 4:31 Jamie
4:34
The first qualifying heat in the men's points race is underway. Chris Newton is in this one, as is Vasili Kiriyenka and Luca Pagliarini, Christophe Riblon, David O'Loughlin, Michael Morkov.
Friday October 30, 2009 4:34
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[Comment From JapesJapes: ]
There's no harm with Telegraph.co.uk 'largeing' it up. Perhaps Mr Wiggins might be tempted to show us what he can really do when he's not riding to a schedule :)
Friday October 30, 2009 4:35 Japes
4:36
Thing is, it isn't a world record. Boardman's record stands, end of story.
Friday October 30, 2009 4:36
4:37
Chris Newton is already on the attack in the men's points race qualifying. The proposal is to kick the points race out of the Olympic Games, so perhaps he's trying to prove a point.
Friday October 30, 2009 4:37
4:38
Newton won the first of six sprints to lay down his marker.
Friday October 30, 2009 4:38
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[Comment From Russ MulloRuss Mullo: ]
sounds like the non-textile swimsuits argument...... world record or best time
Friday October 30, 2009 4:43 Russ Mullo
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[Comment From JapesJapes: ]
Ah, don't let mere facts get in the way. I thought that was the newspaper's way :)
Friday October 30, 2009 4:43 Japes
4:43
Newton second behind Morkov in the third sprint, so he's looking good for a place in the final now.
Friday October 30, 2009 4:43
4:45
Three riders, Wong, Cancio and Kovalev have gained a lap, so Newton is in fourth place. Highest points scorer in the actual sprints so far, but trailing the others because they get 20 points bonus for gaining the lap.
Friday October 30, 2009 4:45
4:48
Cancio after Argentina has lost his lap. Now Newton, Morkov and Riblon are in a very strong move that looks like gaining the lap, with just 11 to go now.
Friday October 30, 2009 4:48
4:49
Another sprint win for Newton, so he's cruising into tonight's final. Eight laps to go - one final sprint.
Friday October 30, 2009 4:49
4:52
Newton is into the final of the points race.
Friday October 30, 2009 4:52
4:58
If you're just joining us, the competition so far has been good from a British perspective.
Chris Hoy cruised into round two of the Keirin. Jason Kenny joined him via the first round repechage.
Victoria Pendleton breezed into the semi-finals of the women's sprint, where she will face Olga Panarina later.
Lizzie Armitstead qualified for the final of the women's scratch race.
And Chris Newton made it look easy in qualifying for the points race final.
But the story of the day so far, without a doubt, is that Geraint Thomas blasted into the final of the individual pursuit with a time of 4-15.015.
That's quicker than Bradley Wiggins has done in competition and is the fastest individual pursuit since the Superman position was banned. Contrary to reports elsewhere, though, it does not count as a world record. Chris Boardman's 4-11 has that accolade.
Friday October 30, 2009 4:58
5:10
[Comment From Russ MulloRuss Mullo: ]
Cornu may need to enforce a 3ft rule for when Geraint passes
Friday October 30, 2009 5:10 Russ Mullo
5:18
That's the end of the afternoon session. We'll be back at 7pm for the start of the evening session.
Tonight we have:
Men's Keirin - second round and finals (Hoy, Kenny)
Women's sprint - semi-finals and finals (Pendleton)
Men's individual pursuit - finals (Thomas)
Women's scratch race - final (Armitstead)
Men's points race - final (Newton)
Men's kilo - final (Daniell)
Friday October 30, 2009 5:18
5:25
[Comment From klausklaus: ]
great coverage gyes thanks
Friday October 30, 2009 5:25 klaus
5:25
[Comment From klausklaus: ]
been tuned in rite since the start
Friday October 30, 2009 5:25 klaus
5:37
[Comment From annaanna: ]
what time is it on the 'Red Button'? I have been looking all day on and off and it has not been on yet
Friday October 30, 2009 5:37 anna
5:37
Hi Anna - the BBC red button/internet coverage starts at 7pm
Friday October 30, 2009 5:37
5:40
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Friday October 30, 2009 5:40
6:52
We're back. First it's the opening ceremony (we'll gloss over that one) then we're back in to the racing with the men's Keirin, second round heats.
After that we've got Victoria Pendleton in the sprint and Lizzie Armitstead in the scratch race. But sandwiched in between those two, we have Geraint Thomas going for gold in the individual pursuit.
Earlier today, Thomas rode the third fastest 4km pursuit time in history and the fastest on the standard tri-bar position.
Can he do it again or can he go even faster?
Following that we have Chris Newton in the points race and hopefully Sir Chris Hoy and Jason Kenny in the Keirin final (depending on how the heats go).
Friday October 30, 2009 6:52
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Friday October 30, 2009 6:55
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Becky James and Jess Varnish (below) show there's plenty of talent coming through behind Victoria Pendleton in the women's sprint.
Friday October 30, 2009 6:55
7:06
Semi-final #1 in the Keirin
1. Maximillian Levy (GER)
2. Shane Perkins (AUS)
3. Tang Qi (CHN)
Those three qualify for the final.
Friday October 30, 2009 7:06
7:08
Now for Sir Chris Hoy and Jason Kenny's race.......
Friday October 30, 2009 7:08
7:09
The result of that first semi-final is in doubt, we'll clarrify it ASAP
Friday October 30, 2009 7:09
7:11
Hoy's still got it!
Friday October 30, 2009 7:11
7:12
Good ride by Sir Chris Hoy who gets a massive cheer. Dropping his normal tactic of leading from the front, this time he sat in and waited for the last lap to make his move. When he did he proved that he's still the fastest man on two wheels.
Friday October 30, 2009 7:12
7:13
Keirin semi-final #2
1 Chris Hoy
2 Jason Niblet
3 Yondi Schmidt
Jason Kenny finished in 6th spot so will ride in the 7 - 12 final.
Friday October 30, 2009 7:13
7:14
There is no let up in the action. Now it's Pendleton's turn. She's up against Olga Panarina of Belarus in the first of the women's sprint semi finals.
Friday October 30, 2009 7:14
7:17
Pendleton loses out there after Panarina went for it from a lap out and took her by surprise. She'll be back. We hope.
Friday October 30, 2009 7:17
7:27
Shchedov of the Ukraine takes the bronze medal in the individual pursuit. Now to see if Geraint Thomas get anywhere near the amazing time he recorded earlier. He's up against Belgium's Dominique Cornu.
Friday October 30, 2009 7:27
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After two laps Thomas is already up.
Friday October 30, 2009 7:29
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The gap is coming in again as Cornu rallies.
Friday October 30, 2009 7:30
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Now Cornu has cracked and the gap is almost three seconds.
Friday October 30, 2009 7:31
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3-11 after three kilometres for Thomas. Another good time is on.
Friday October 30, 2009 7:31
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Catching Cornu now. Two laps to go.
Friday October 30, 2009 7:32
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Thomas passed Cornu, sat up, and didn't go on for the record. But he'd been forced to go up the banking as he was on his way past, and that may have cost him time.
Friday October 30, 2009 7:33
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First gold medal of the Manchester World Cup goes to Geraint Thomas of Great Britain. He beat Dominique Cornu, of Belgium in the individual pursuit final.
Shchedov of Ukraine collects the bronze.
Friday October 30, 2009 7:33
7:37
Second heat of the women's sprint semi-finals now. Victoria Pendleton has to win this against Olga Panarina to level it 1-1, otherwise it'll be a shock exit for the world and Olympic champion.
Friday October 30, 2009 7:37
7:38
That was close. Pendleton led it out from a long way and had what looked like a good gap. But the Belarussian came back at her strongly in the final 150 metres. Pendleton got over the line first, just about. 1-1. It'll go to a third and deciding race.
Friday October 30, 2009 7:38
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Guo beats Krupeckaite in the second semi-final. That's 2-0, so Guo waits for either Pendleton or Panarina in the final.
Friday October 30, 2009 7:42
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Next question: Can Lizzie Armitstead grab a medal in the women's scratch race. That's the next event on the track.
Friday October 30, 2009 7:42
7:44
[Comment From AaronAaron: ]
Do you have lap splits for the IP?
Friday October 30, 2009 7:44 Aaron
7:44
[Comment From Paul JamesPaul James: ]
Shame! Thomas should have carried on for a stab at the record, it would have been a sensational time
Friday October 30, 2009 7:44 Paul James
7:47
Geraint Thomas's splits for the qualifying ride
1:07.759
1:02.337
1.02.093
1.02.826
And for the final
1:07.132
1:02.279
1:02.171
Friday October 30, 2009 7:47
7:51
So, to compare Thomas's two rides:
Thomas reached the 3km mark in the qualifying round in 3-12.189.
And in the final he was through the 3km in 3-11.582
Friday October 30, 2009 7:51
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[Comment From Russ MulloRuss Mullo: ]
hope Geraint brings that form to Melbourne next month
Friday October 30, 2009 7:52 Russ Mullo
7:52
Not sure that Thomas will be in Melbourne next month. He'll be concentrating on Team Sky from now on.
Friday October 30, 2009 7:52
7:53
In the women's scratch race final there's a break away and Lizzie Armitstead is trying to get across to them.
Friday October 30, 2009 7:53
7:54
The break has gained a lap. Armitstead is with the Belgian rider Kelly Druyts trying to get across to the back of the bunch to gain a lap but the bunch has reacted.
Friday October 30, 2009 7:54
7:55
Armitstead's attack has been brought back.
Friday October 30, 2009 7:55
7:59
Armitstead's attack didn't work out, she was brought back as the bunch sped up for the sprint. No result as yet.....
Friday October 30, 2009 7:59
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Belinda Goss (Australia) won the scratch race. Lizzie Armitstead (GB) was 10th.
Friday October 30, 2009 8:01
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Scratch race result
1 Belinda Goss (Australia)
2 Evgeniya Romanyuta (Russia)
3 Shelley Olds (PRO)
4 Skye Lee Armstrong (RDN)
5 Vera Koedooder (Netherlands)
6 Jarmila Machacova (Czech Republic)
7 Lada Kozlikova (Czech Republic)
8 Monia Baccaille (FFA)
9 Leire Olaberrria (Spain)
10 Lizzie Armitstead (GB)
Friday October 30, 2009 8:03
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Victoria Pendleton makes the final of the women's sprint with a hard-fought win over Panarina in the semi-final decider.
Friday October 30, 2009 8:03
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[Comment From NeilNeil: ]
Great coverage guys good way to keep in touch with the sport with being deployed away with the army!
Friday October 30, 2009 8:04 Neil
8:04
Thanks Neil. All the best.
Friday October 30, 2009 8:04
8:07
Coming up now are the men's Keirin finals. First the race for 7th to 12th places. Aussie Shane Perkins, China's Qi Tang, Frenchman Francois Pervis, Jason Kenny (Great Britain), Teklinski the Pole, plus the Ukraine's Andrii Vynokurov.
Friday October 30, 2009 8:07
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Kenny has pole position behind the Derny bike, which is about to pull off the track.
Friday October 30, 2009 8:09
8:09
Kenny seems to have his eyes on Vynokurov.
Friday October 30, 2009 8:09
8:10
Kenny hits the front, holds off the Frenchman Pervis. Seventh place in the Keirin competition for the Great Britain rider, eighth for Pervis.
Friday October 30, 2009 8:10
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[Comment From BikedudeBikedude: ]
Great to have live coverage guys, but it would have been nice to know who was in the 6 women break, not who was chasing for 10th.
Friday October 30, 2009 8:10 Bikedude
8:11
Bit hard to cover everything that goes on in a scratch race, Bikedude.
Just wait until the points race!
Friday October 30, 2009 8:11
8:13
Now for the Keirin final.
Max Levy (Germany)
Christos Volikakis (Greece)
Francesco Ceci (Italy)
Jason Niblett (Jayco)
Yondi Schmidt (Netherlands)
Sir. Chris. Hoy (Sky+HD)
Friday October 30, 2009 8:13
8:14
Everyone wants to get in there right behind the Derny bike, but Chris Hoy knows that is where he has to be in order to lead from the front. That's his tactic and he's sticking to it. Hoy held the position very well.
Friday October 30, 2009 8:14
8:15
Hoy's let the Derny bike open a bit of a gap there. But now he leads from the front.
Friday October 30, 2009 8:15
8:16
Hoy wins the Keirin.
He led that out right from the start. Volikakis was on his wheel. In the final lap the Greek made his move but he didn't quite have enough.
Friday October 30, 2009 8:16
8:16
Men's Keirin final result
1 Hoy
2 Volikakis
3 Levy
4 Niblett
5 Schmidt
6 Ceci
Friday October 30, 2009 8:16
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[Comment From Russ MulloRuss Mullo: ]
another great effort cycling weekly...... 100 twitterers couldn't top your coverage....
Friday October 30, 2009 8:17 Russ Mullo
8:18
Three finals down. Three to go. Next up we have a couple of medal ceremonies - the individual pursuit (won by Geraint Thomas) and the scratch race (won by Belinda Goss). Then it's the points race final.
Friday October 30, 2009 8:18
8:19
Thanks Russ, glad you're enjoying it.
Friday October 30, 2009 8:19
8:27
Victory ceremonies going on now. No matter how hard we try we can't make them interesting for you. So we wont bother.
Back with the points race in the next ten minutes.
Friday October 30, 2009 8:27
8:27
Actually, Pat McQuaid handed over the medals without dropping them, so that's something.
Friday October 30, 2009 8:27
8:27
Only joking, Pat.
Friday October 30, 2009 8:27
8:34
The men's points race is on now. 120 laps of the track, with a sprint every ten laps.
Friday October 30, 2009 8:34
8:48
After four of 12 sprints, Chris Newton has a four-point lead in the points race final. It's been an aggressive race so far. 72 laps to go.
Friday October 30, 2009 8:48
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The current siuation, after five of 12 sprints is that Newton leads on 31 points.
In joint second are Poland's Lukasz Bujko and German stalwart Roger Kluge on 28.
Next it's Ivan Kovalev of Russia and Spain's Eloy Teruel on 25.
Just 62 laps to go now. That's 15.5 kilometres.
Friday October 30, 2009 8:51
8:53
Halfway mark has been reached. Newton still leads after taking second place to Dutchman Schep in that sixth sprint. Gap at the top is now six points. Newton is scoring well but has to be on his guard because the attacks are coming again and it's starting to split.
Friday October 30, 2009 8:53
8:56
[Comment From Paul JamesPaul James: ]
Just tried to explain the points race to my six year old son. He's decided to go to bed. No respect.
Friday October 30, 2009 8:56 Paul James
8:57
Fair play to you Paul James.
Wait till tomorrow and try to explain the Madison. It really is the cycling equivalent of trying to explain the offside trap to someone who doesn't follow football. Having said that, it's much, much easier to follow in the velodrome than it is on telly.
Friday October 30, 2009 8:57
8:58
Newton's lead over Bujko, Kluge and Schep is now eight points with 37 laps and four sprints to go.
Friday October 30, 2009 8:58
8:59
[Comment From Paul JamesPaul James: ]
You're right - he'll be asking me why the men in tight suits are holding hands
Friday October 30, 2009 8:59 Paul James
9:02
Riblon wins sprint nine, Newton in fourth, so the lead for the British rider is now nine points. It's starting to look good for the man from Teesside.
Newton has much to gain from continuing to impress in the points race. He could be a candidate for the Omnium. His dream had been to focus on the points race until London 2012 and then retire, but the discipline looks like being taken out of the Olympic programme.
Friday October 30, 2009 9:02
9:03
To paraphrase a great line of Hugh Porter's commentary: "You join us here in the velodrome with just 22 laps to go in the men's points race."
Friday October 30, 2009 9:03
9:04
Now the German Kluge makes his move. He's attacked to win the 10th sprint. Newton out of the points that time, so suddenly the race is getting interesting.
Friday October 30, 2009 9:04
9:05
Newton leads Kluge by four points 37-33 with 17 laps to go - and two sprints remaining. Kluge, remember, was the German rider who denied Newton the silver medal in the points race at the Beijing Olympics with a canny late move.
Friday October 30, 2009 9:05
9:06
Attacks coming again, Newton is alert to the danger. The Japanese rider Mori and King Wai Chung are on the attack, giving it some welly.
Friday October 30, 2009 9:06
9:08
Penultimate sprint and there are points for the Pole and the Dutchman, so it's going to go to the final sprint.
With one sprint to go it's
1. Newton 37
2. Kluge 33
3. Bujko 31
Kluge has to win the last sprint and hope that Newton doesn't score to win it. Newton needs one point in the last sprint to clinch it. At this stage a break getting away (as long as Kluge isn't in it) would do Newton nicely.
Friday October 30, 2009 9:08
9:09
There's a break of four on with three laps to go. Kiriyenka, Wong and Mori are in it. This looks good for Newton.
Friday October 30, 2009 9:09
9:10
Chris Newton wins the points race, with a very smart, calculated performance.
Friday October 30, 2009 9:10
9:12
That's Britain's third gold medal (out of four) so far tonight.
Points race results
1. Chris Newton (Great Britain) 37
2. Ho Ting Kwok (Hong Kong) 33
2. Roger Kluge (Germany) 33
4. Lukasz Bujko (Poland) 31
5 Peter Schep (Netherlands) 29
Friday October 30, 2009 9:12
9:18
Women's sprint final now. Victoria Pendleton versus Shuang Guo. Britain versus China. 2012 Olympics versus 2008 Olympics. Er, we'll stop there.
Friday October 30, 2009 9:18
9:19
One-nil to Pendleton.
Friday October 30, 2009 9:19
9:20
[Comment From rabbieburnsrabbieburns: ]
What's up next on the schedule?
Friday October 30, 2009 9:20 rabbieburns
9:22
We've now got the medal ceremony for the women's scratch race and men's points race. Then we have the next heat of the women's sprint followed by the kilometre TT. David Daniell will be going for gold in that.
Friday October 30, 2009 9:22
9:25
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Friday October 30, 2009 9:25
9:25
[Comment From cyclingcycling: ]
what happened with steve burke?
Friday October 30, 2009 9:25 cycling
9:26
Steven Burke is in the team pursuit squad as far as we know. According to Geraint Thomas the British team is desperate to make up for being beaten at the world champs in Poland earlier this year.
Friday October 30, 2009 9:26
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Friday October 30, 2009 9:30
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Ireland's David McCann posted a 4:36.885 in qualifying for the 4km pursuit today. That was good enough for 14th.
Friday October 30, 2009 9:31
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Friday October 30, 2009 9:32
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Pendleton looked very sharp in her last round against Shuang Guo. The world champion wants to gain as many world championship qualification points here in Manchester so she doesn't have to go flying round the world to the other world cups this winter.
Friday October 30, 2009 9:34
9:37
Simona Krupeckaite beats Olga Panarina to claim bronze in the women's sprint.
Friday October 30, 2009 9:37
9:38
Now it's round two in the Pendleton V Guo gold medal final. Pendleton already has one round under her belt. Can she wrap it up with two straight wins or will the Chinese girl take her to a third round?
Friday October 30, 2009 9:38
9:40
Looks like Pendleton is going to lead it out
Friday October 30, 2009 9:40
9:41
Guo gets it to take the gold medal final into its third round.
Friday October 30, 2009 9:41
9:41
Guo kicked at the bell, drew level with Pendleton in the back straight and just had the edge over the Brit in the final straight.
Friday October 30, 2009 9:41
9:42
Now for the men's kilo.....
Friday October 30, 2009 9:42
9:44
12 rounds in the kilo, 23 riders in total. No disrespect to this field, but it's very poor. This event really is on life support since now it's lost its Olympic status.
Friday October 30, 2009 9:44
9:47
[Comment From nancynancy: ]
go GBR
Friday October 30, 2009 9:47 nancy
9:52
Anton Lapshinau has the fastest time so far in the men's kilometre.
Friday October 30, 2009 9:52
9:52
Lapshinau, of Belarus, has done a 1-04.
Friday October 30, 2009 9:52
9:55
A friend and former CW colleague of ours, Simon Warren, recently rode the kilometre at the National Championships. He hired a car, drove up from London, raced for one minute and 12 seconds, and drove home again. He can legitimately say he's the 17th best kilo rider in the country this year.
Friday October 30, 2009 9:55
9:56
Stick around, because David Daniell is in the penultimate heat. He's the young rider from Middlesbrough who won the kilo at the Manchester World Cup a year ago. Also riding are Stefan Nimke and Scott Sunderland (not the one who is a Team Sky manager, though).
Friday October 30, 2009 9:56
10:10
The times are getting faster. The leader at the moment is Chongyang Wang of China, with a 1-02. Babek of the Czech Republic is second.
The field is a mix of young riders and riders who've been seen in endurance events before - perhaps testing their kilo skills in readiness for the omnium, which is likely to be added to the Olympic programme.
Friday October 30, 2009 10:10
10:11
The penultimate heat features Britain's David Daniell and Cofidis rider Quentin Lafargue.
Friday October 30, 2009 10:11
10:12
[Comment From track bofftrack boff: ]
correction to your comments on Simon Warren He might have finished 17 th in the national kilo on the day but don't forget we had several junior riders who went faster in this years junior championships
Friday October 30, 2009 10:12 track boff
10:12
Track boff. True, true, but you've got to be in it to win it. Where were they for the big one? Likewise, we wouldn't argue that Mr Warren could beat Sir Chris Hoy...
Friday October 30, 2009 10:12
10:13
Big roar for David Daniell. The crowd's woken up...
Friday October 30, 2009 10:13
10:13
He has the best time at the 500m mark.
Friday October 30, 2009 10:13
10:13
Daniell is going well. Best time at 750m too.
Friday October 30, 2009 10:13
10:14
Daniell records a 1-01.698 to go top of the leaderboard with just two riders to go.
Friday October 30, 2009 10:14
10:14
Daniell is guaranteed a medal. With only Stefan Nimke and Scott Sunderland to ride, bronze is the worst he can do.
Friday October 30, 2009 10:14
10:16
Daniell's time is a personal best in competition. Last year in the Manchester World Cup he did a 1-01.996, which won him the gold medal.
Friday October 30, 2009 10:16
10:16
Nimke is pushing Daniell's time, but is second at the moment.
Friday October 30, 2009 10:16
10:17
World champion Stefan Nimke wins the kilo in 1-01.293. David Daniell must settle for silver.
Friday October 30, 2009 10:17
10:20
And so to the last race of the evening. The decider between Victoria Pendleton and Shuang Guo in the women's sprint. They're tied 1-1 after Guo's fine fightback in the second race.
Friday October 30, 2009 10:20
10:21
A hush falls over the velodrome as the two riders roll out...
Friday October 30, 2009 10:21
10:23
Huge roar as Pendleton wins it. She pulled clear on the final bend but Guo gave it a real fight, but the three-time sprint world champion was strong enough.
Friday October 30, 2009 10:23
10:24
So, that brings the day's action to a close. Great Britain have ended the day with four golds from six events - Geraint Thomas in the pursuit, Sir Chris Hoy in the Keirin, Victoria Pendleton in the sprint and Chris Newton in the points race. David Daniell won the silver medal in the kilo.
Friday October 30, 2009 10:24
10:25
Thanks for following us. Have a great weekend. Cycling Weekly is off to an Indian restaurant recommended to us on Twitter. It'd better be good. We're starving!
Over and out.
Friday October 30, 2009 10:25
10:29
[Comment From Paul JamesPaul James: ]
Thanks for the great coverage tonight, you've earned yourselves a lukewarm beer and a probably slightly less lukewarm burger. Cheers!
Friday October 30, 2009 10:29 Paul James
10:29
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